Why We Can’t Return To Christian Values

There has been a spate of articles recently advocating for a return to Christian values in the UK. Some, like that by Madeline Grant, don’t specify which values they have in mind. Nonetheless, Ms Grant worries about these unspecified values being replaced by the ‘terrible new gods’ of wokeism, while Douglas Murray – an agnostic commentator I admire and enjoy a great deal – argues for the revival of Christian forgiveness. Elsewhere, Richard Dawkins repeats his call for the preservation of ‘cultural Christianity’ in the face of less ‘decent’ religions like Islam.

I’m sure there are good arguments to be made for exercising more forgiveness both in our personal and national lives, though the idea is not without its difficulties. Dawkins too is right to express concerns that the vacuum that may be left as Christianity declines might be filled with more unsavoury and less charitable values.

But what are the Christian values that these writers see less of in modern life? For Dawkins it’s the chiming of church bells and rousing hymns, which, as pleasant as these are (I would not like them to disappear either) do not have any bearing on our morals and values.

According to Total People, our values in the UK are Democracy, the Rule of Law, Respect & Tolerance and Personal Liberty. Certainly the UK has long regarded itself as a tolerant country – though those on the receiving end of intolerance in the past (early immigrants, gay people for example) might disagree – and we have always aspired to show respect without necessarily achieving it. Our morals on the other hand, especially with regard to sex (and Christians invariably mean sex when they talk about moral decline) have changed over the last 30 or so years, becoming more tolerant of, for example, same-sex relationships and less accepting of adulterous or abusive ones.

The question is, however, do we owe our values and morals to Christianity? I’ve argued before that we don’t. I’ve also tried to demonstrate that there is no time in the past we could pinpoint and say, ‘here’s where the country demonstrably and consistently upheld Biblical principles, showing us just how far we’ve fallen since.’ I applied this criterion to the USA when Don Camp suggested there was a now lost Christian golden age, taking random points in US history and demonstrating there never was a time when Christian values prevailed. Any such golden age is a myth, in the States, the UK and anywhere else. It always has been so; read Paul’s first letter to the church in Corinth to see how far even early cultists fell short of his ideals. Christians themselves don’t and never have demonstrated the high standards the bible demands.

Why is this? Because Christian morals and values are impossible. Even those who think they live with the Holy Spirit in them fail, and frequently fail dramatically, to practise what they preach. They don’t love their enemies, a ridiculous expectation of Jesus’s that certainly can’t be extended to nations. Many of the righteous don’t demonstrate love for their neighbours (other than bombarding them with the gospel) and frequently showing an appalling lack of empathy for fellow-believers (take a look at the abuse that goes on in the church at large.) They don’t, in the main, sell all they have and give the proceeds to the poor; give to anyone and everyone who asks and give away their shirt as well as their jacket when it’s demanded of them. They do judge others but don’t – sorry, Douglas – forgive fellow-believers seventy times seven, let alone those of us they regard as the great unwashed. Perhaps it’s as well; what would a culture be like that repeatedly forgave its criminals, abusers and bullies?

The frequently ignored Golden Rule of ‘do onto others as you would have them do unto you’ predates Jesus by centuries, while the more realistic, secular version of it, tolerance and respect, likewise doesn’t derive from the Bible, Jesus or the church. This Holy Trinity of terrors demonstrate a marked absence of tolerance and respect for any positions other than their own and ‘personal liberty’ is not a concept known to them. Didn’t Jesus insist his followers become his slaves? His Father, meanwhile, is intolerant of everything human beings do and everything they are.

A Christian who commented on Grant’s article asked those who disputed her premise – that we need to return to Christian values – whether they would prefer to live in a country dominated by Christian, Islamic or Marxist values. I’ll leave his question with you – answers on a postcard please – and return to it next time.

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6 thoughts on “Why We Can’t Return To Christian Values

  1. I reckon commentators such as Murray and Dawkins are being very fast and loose with the term Christian Values whenever they throw it out largely because the average Brit would be left scratching their head if Dawkins etc were to say secular humanism.

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      • As it stands it might be the lessor of two evils. From what I have read the UK is be coming less and less Christian/ religious as the years pass but perhaps the ‘sudden’ surge in Islamism has prompted this somewhat odd response about ‘Christian Values’?
        What do I know? I haven’t lived there for nigh on 45 years!
        But I will be back there in a few weeks for my father’s 90th so maybe I will have a better perspective?
        I just hope it isn’t bloody raining? 😊

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      • Bound to be raining. It’s one of four seasons we set aside for it.

        I’m just writing next week’s post in which I address your very points. Yes, the surge in Islamism has prompted the call, from the most unexpected of quarters, for the ‘return’ of Christian values. I agree with what you’ve said in your recent posts: education may well be the antidote to religion, but we’re dealing with a very pervasive poison.

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      • And let’s not forget the Palestinian ‘thing’.
        There is going to be a lot more sympathy for Islam and Muslims after the dust has settled over Gaza.
        I suspect there are interesting times ahead, Neal.

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  2. Writing as an American, those lost Golden Days of Christianity tug at our faux memories and call us to Make America Great Again. (Those lost Golden Days follow in the great Christian tradition of being built on false memories.)

    There was a time in our Great Christian Nation when the good Christian men of the town would gather on a Saturday night. In numbers sufficient to overwhelm their targets, hidden by the dark of night and clothed to hide distinguishing features and well as faces, they would descend on a young black man and perhaps a few of his friends. The young men would be beaten and then hanged by a sturdy tree in the center of town.

    Those good Christian men of the town would attend church the next morning with their families. After hearing the word of God preached, the men and families would head out to the park for a nice picnic lunch under the swaying and bloating bodies still hung in the tree.

    Such activities were a necessary part of reminding black folk in the area of their proper place. Such reminders kept good Christian order in a good Christian American town.

    While those outings were undertaken by the older “family men” of the town, the younger white men’s activities were more of a sport – although just as important to maintaining good Christian values.

    The young men would prey on those lacking such values. Again at night, they would separate out those not the same as the rest of us. After the high school basketball game or near closing of the local diner, they’d separate their target from the crowd. Shoving and taunting and bullying soon the target would find himself alone and surround and with nowhere to run. 

    The pack would then deliver a thorough beating to the target. Such beatings were an important way of discipling those for being different. The recipient of the discipline was left alive to learn his lesson. And if the pack was a little too enthusiastic in delivering the lesson, well the corpse could be hung on a fence outside of town holding a hand painted sign saying “faggot” as a warning to others.

    Oh! Those Golden Days of Christianity! Good Christian values enforced by good Christian men. Though lost, they have not been forgotten. They made America what she is today! (And oh how Christians fight against anything that would continue us on our journey away from those days!)

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